2014.10.22 Dev Chat

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jnicol: Hi everyone, welcome to dev chat [3:01 PM]

Eli Fisker: hi John :) [3:01 PM]

hoglahoo: thanks [3:01 PM]

machinelves: hello! :D [3:01 PM]

hoglahoo: hello [3:01 PM]

jnicol: Hi Eli, Elves, Lee [3:01 PM]

jnicol: lost track of time, was looking into why the puzzle thumbnails are not showing up [3:02 PM]

hoglahoo: Any luck with that [3:02 PM]

Eli Fisker: Its a common for new puzzles added [3:02 PM]

machinelves: ohh all of them, or just sometimes? I noticed something like that but thought maybe it was just me [3:02 PM]

jnicol: Also, just put up the capcha this morning and have been monitoring ot all day [3:02 PM]

Eli Fisker: However they seem to get there after a while [3:02 PM]

Eli Fisker: So perhaps a timing thing [3:02 PM]

hoglahoo: great! [3:02 PM]

machinelves: yay! thanks for the captcha! [3:03 PM]

Eli Fisker: John, sounds really great! [3:03 PM]

jnicol: I need to add the captcha to the Nova registartions also [3:03 PM]

hoglahoo kisses at the feet of John

Eli Fisker: Hehe [3:03 PM]

jnicol: looks like the render server is down, (creates the images) [3:03 PM]

Eli Fisker: Ah [3:04 PM]

jnicol: lol [3:04 PM]

machinelves: lol hogla  [3:04 PM]

Eli Fisker: John, I also noticed that you got the blogs back in the latest news feed [3:04 PM]

Eli Fisker: Big thumbs up [3:04 PM]

jnicol: yes, they are back :) [3:04 PM]

machinelves: yes thanks for that, good work! [3:04 PM]

jnicol: noticed that the gnomes are gone from the wiki page [3:05 PM]

Eli Fisker: Oh, thats a shame [3:05 PM]

machinelves: hehe gnomes are wily like that [3:05 PM]

machinelves: nando made executive professional decision, i understand [3:05 PM]

hoglahoo: comments welcome here http://eternawiki.org/wiki/index.php5/Talk:Main_Page [3:05 PM]

Eli Fisker: Where did the help page go? [3:05 PM]

machinelves: on the news feed, 3D post is sticky - is that still active? [3:05 PM]

jnicol: he does a great job with the wiki! [3:06 PM]

machinelves: eli in one of the menu items [3:06 PM]

jnicol: elves, I dont understand [3:06 PM]

machinelves: i think help link could go more apparent [3:06 PM]

Nando: Eli and machineves do more than me these days [3:06 PM]

Nando: I only fight spammers [3:06 PM]

Nando: hi guys [3:06 PM]

Eli Fisker: hi Nando :) [3:06 PM]

machinelves: jnicol, in the news feed there is a blog post for 3D [3:06 PM]

jnicol: thanks to the whole team then :) [3:07 PM]

machinelves: is that still an active topic / development? or on pause [3:07 PM]

machinelves: hi nando! :D thank you for fighting spam, because i have no idea how to boot them from the wiki [3:07 PM]

Eli Fisker: Nando, I'm thankful for you taking good care of the spammers [3:07 PM]

machinelves: and sorry about the silly gnomes, i was just having some fun :D [3:07 PM]

jnicol: the blogs remain with the sticky set, the next blog will go above it (if stickies are enabled) [3:07 PM]

Eli Fisker: Nando, my only real objection is that help went almost invisible [3:08 PM]

machinelves: maybe we could put help link at top of page [3:08 PM]

jnicol: did you have a problem with a blog? [3:08 PM]

machinelves: or i was thinking a big red button would be cute [3:08 PM]

machinelves: hehe [3:08 PM]

Nando: there may be ways to make it more visible [3:08 PM]

Eli Fisker: I wish it to be there so it is one of the first things the eyes of the new folks fall on [3:08 PM]

machinelves: jnicol no problem, just wondering if 3D blog post needs to still be sticky [3:08 PM]

machinelves: is it still an active thread? [3:09 PM]

Eli Fisker: Nando, thx for considering [3:09 PM]

jnicol: yes, still active and I dont change the sticky's once they are set [3:09 PM]

machinelves: kk thanks [3:09 PM]

Eli Fisker: Because the help page is so important for the new to find the most important resources, so they will be less confused [3:09 PM]

Eli Fisker: Nando, suggestion to put it above the FAQ one in the menu [3:10 PM]

hoglahoo: is it not featured on the eterna website at the top already [3:10 PM]

machinelves: you can see in a revision in the wiki immediately prior to gnomes, i had help link top center [3:10 PM]

machinelves: hogla, the help wiki page? [3:10 PM]

Eli Fisker: Oh, Hogla, that is actually a great suggestion [3:10 PM]

machinelves: i didnt know of a hard link from eterna main site [3:11 PM]

Eli Fisker: Even better than putting it under the chatbox [3:11 PM]

machinelves: that would be awesome  [3:11 PM]

hoglahoo: I don't know. Whatever help page is so important - if it's very good for newcomers, maybe there should be a "if you are new to eterna, please click here first" on whatever page they see first [3:11 PM]

machinelves: i still like the chatbox help button since that is where the eyes go [3:11 PM]

Eli Fisker: Yup. more easy to see [3:12 PM]

machinelves: but could add to the menu somewhere [3:11 PM]

machinelves: maybe under About? [3:12 PM]

Eli Fisker: Hogla, I also like your suggestion [3:12 PM]

Eli Fisker: On the menu, I think anything goes there often don't get checked [3:12 PM]

jandersonlee: Community/Help [3:12 PM]

Eli Fisker: The idea with the help button was to get it somewhere visible [3:13 PM]

machinelves: yes i didn't look at menu options for like a year, lol [3:13 PM]

Eli Fisker: Many of the new players don't actively check the menu [3:13 PM]

hoglahoo: lol how many of these easter eggs are scattered about http://i.imgur.com/vzsqZWP.png [3:13 PM]

lroppy: help belongs under "About Eterna"" [3:13 PM]

lroppy: help under about on windows menus [3:13 PM]

machinelves: hehe collect all the smiley faces and win a prize :) [3:13 PM]

Eli Fisker: :) [3:13 PM]

machinelves: i like hogla's idea of putting a link to help on whatever page new registered players see first [3:14 PM]

machinelves: like we talked about with nova [3:14 PM]

machinelves: to guide them through best steps to get started [3:14 PM]

machinelves: often the dive into tough challenge puzzles first and get confused [3:14 PM]

machinelves: *they [3:14 PM]

machinelves: i also really want to see the chat help button but i understand that will take longer [3:15 PM]

Eli Fisker: My main concern is that it is highly visible to new players, in case there aren't any players around to point them to the easier places to start [3:15 PM]

hoglahoo: @machinelves, a "if you are new, click here first" can be quite nice for the easily confused such as myself. considering how many kids we have pouring in lately too [3:16 PM]

hoglahoo: not buried in a menu somewhere [3:16 PM]

machinelves: yes exactly, the goal for any of these options is for new players to get help, in case there is nobody available to assist [3:16 PM]

Eli Fisker: Agree [3:16 PM]

machinelves: hogla good point, agreed [3:16 PM]

hoglahoo: not to interrupt but what else is on the slate for dev chat? [3:16 PM]

machinelves: exactly with the new kids, the volume is more than we have old players [3:17 PM]

jnicol: So I'll put it under the About menu first and also see if I can put it on the bottom of the chat box [3:17 PM]

machinelves: i noticed a bug which may just be my system since i upgraded my mac OS to yosemite, but I got a spam message in my feed that has images and like a whole website embedded, and get this happening: [3:17 PM]

machinelves: safari: http://prntscr.com/4ypfhafirefox: http://prntscr.com/4ypg0k [3:17 PM]

machinelves: oops [3:17 PM]

machinelves: safari: http://prntscr.com/4ypfha   firefox: http://prntscr.com/4ypg0k [3:18 PM]

machinelves: jnicol awesome, thank you! [3:18 PM]

Eli Fisker: Thx, John :) [3:18 PM]

jnicol: elves, is that on your roadmap page? [3:19 PM]

machinelves: actually, just tried on mavericks box and still happening [3:19 PM]

machinelves: on my profile feed page [3:19 PM]

machinelves: but other pages are fine [3:19 PM]

machinelves: and that top message of spam is unusual in that it is an embedded full web page, or includes full images or something [3:19 PM]

machinelves: so like community, puzzles, other pages fine [3:20 PM]

hoglahoo: spammer is spamming html [3:20 PM]

jnicol: elves, send me an email on the details, I want to know which pages you see it on [3:20 PM]

jnicol: apotas is the spammer? [3:21 PM]

machinelves: okay disturbing, looks like i am logged in as their wordpress acount http://prntscr.com/4yrpch [3:21 PM]

machinelves: but only on my profile page [3:21 PM]

machinelves: :( [3:21 PM]

machinelves: and for 2-3 seconds it is normal blue then redirects [3:22 PM]

machinelves: to white page with wordpress [3:22 PM]

machinelves: yes apotas [3:22 PM]

machinelves: so not os dependent [3:23 PM]

jnicol: I dont understand how it is a comment on your profile page? [3:23 PM]

Nando: I guess that was a group message [3:23 PM]

machinelves: http://eterna.cmu.edu/web/player/192099/ [3:23 PM]

hoglahoo: she's following a page with that spam or else group message or something [3:23 PM]

jnicol: so the 'My Feed' page? [3:23 PM]

machinelves: and their profile page also is funky http://prntscr.com/4yrq14 [3:23 PM]

Eli Fisker: Ok, that surely is odd [3:24 PM]

jnicol: profile or my feed? [3:24 PM]

Eli Fisker: When I click that link to the player [3:24 PM]

machinelves: root page for me: http://eterna.cmu.edu/web/ [3:24 PM]

Eli Fisker: http://prntscr.com/4yrqby [3:24 PM]

Nando: that's the feed [3:24 PM]

machinelves: My Feed [3:24 PM]

Eli Fisker: I got this [3:24 PM]

machinelves: not My Profile [3:24 PM]

Eli Fisker: That other players profile connect up with my profile [3:25 PM]

jnicol: ok, apotas was previously inactivated, I just want to make sure I catch all the places the comments can show up [3:25 PM]

machinelves: http://prntscr.com/4yrqnd [3:25 PM]

machinelves: comment on the blog new paper for eterna [3:25 PM]

machinelves: 22nd [3:25 PM]

machinelves: new comment [3:26 PM]

Eli Fisker: http://prntscr.com/4yrqx1 [3:26 PM]

jnicol: there were 3 new spammers, that I just inactivated [3:27 PM]

machinelves: eli, thanks. weird so spammer's profile link is affected  [3:28 PM]

machinelves: thanks jnicol [3:28 PM]

Eli Fisker: Elf, np [3:28 PM]

jnicol: elves, is this a new blog? [3:28 PM]

jnicol: http://eterna.cmu.edu/web/blog/5210052/ [3:28 PM]

Nando: [CloudLab / barcodes] I've been working for the past few days on a tool for selecting ensemble-diversity-optimized barcodes, and I'm starting to get some results... Would the EteRNA team be interested? [3:29 PM]

machinelves: wordpress menu is active... http://prntscr.com/4yrs2y [3:30 PM]

jnicol: most definately Nando! [3:30 PM]

Eli Fisker: Cool, Nando [3:30 PM]

machinelves: jnicol, yes just went up yesterday! [3:30 PM]

machinelves: saving nova post for later [3:30 PM]

hoglahoo: interested in seeing what you think the results are, sure [3:30 PM]

jnicol: did you not set the sticky on purpose? [3:30 PM]

Nando: @john: ok, I'll PM the details [3:31 PM]

jnicol: great nando [3:31 PM]

machinelves: nando that is awesome! i'm not sure what ensemble-diversity-optimized means but i'm curious to learn more and happy you got results, thanks for your work [3:31 PM]

jandersonlee: I notice there are no new proposals for paper labs and the deadline is Sunday night... [3:31 PM]

jnicol: actually lets see what happens if I remove the sticky from the 3D blog [3:32 PM]

Nando: it means more or less "clean dot plot" [3:32 PM]

machinelves: john, i don't think a sticky was set, eli posted, but we don't want to bump devs post [3:32 PM]

jandersonlee: extend labs another week? (I havnen't finished them) [3:32 PM]

hoglahoo: jandersonlee: for everyone but starryjess [3:32 PM]

jnicol: ah, ok I'll the blog as is [3:32 PM]

jnicol: *I'll leave [3:33 PM]

machinelves: i mean devs post on their new paper [3:33 PM]

machinelves: that's why i wondered if 3D was still active [3:33 PM]

hoglahoo: Nando does the tool lend itself to in-game implementation? [3:33 PM]

jnicol: I think Cody will have another lab ready for te next round, and perhaps Eli also? [3:33 PM]

machinelves: nando thanks, yes, i am really curious to know how barcodes affect the rest of the design [3:34 PM]

Eli Fisker: @John, yup [3:34 PM]

jandersonlee: fine if so [3:34 PM]

jandersonlee: Nando would that be an automatic generator from unused barcodes? [3:35 PM]

Nando: @hoglahoo: not really, it is meant for Das Lab to auto-select good barcodes for pilot projects or for tests like in the recent rounds where they copy the sequences and select other barcodes [3:35 PM]

Nando: @JL: yes [3:35 PM]

jandersonlee: @Nando. nice [3:35 PM]

machinelves: @jnicol i'll send you a summary of the spammer bug, and as for 3D blog post, if not active i would remove the sticky. but if still active, fine to leave as is [3:38 PM]

jnicol: thx elves [3:38 PM]

Nando: anyone knowledgeable about both ViennaRNA and OpenMP? [3:38 PM]

jnicol: programming for a supercomputer? [3:39 PM]

jandersonlee: parallel solving? [3:39 PM]

machinelves: @janderson, i think deadline for labs is now october 27, do you mean extend another week after? [3:39 PM]

Nando: I'm having an issue with parallelizing, and it's escaping me... [3:39 PM]

jandersonlee: @elves: if no new labs are ready, yes - we had a bunch of new labs added with only 12 days to solve [3:39 PM]

machinelves: kk thanks janderson. i totally understand. i support a further extension, if that would help [3:40 PM]

jandersonlee: but if new labs are ready it is possibly fine [3:40 PM]

jnicol: a think a 2nd delay would be hard to push through, better plan on finishing on the 27th :) [3:41 PM]

jandersonlee: @Nando I'm not an expert, but I could look at it with you [3:41 PM]

machinelves: okay thanks for considering John :) [3:41 PM]

hoglahoo: Onward and upward! [3:41 PM]

machinelves: hehe [3:41 PM]

machinelves: nando i can only help with perpendicularizing :D [3:41 PM]

Nando: @JL: not sure if I've got your email, but I'll PM soon [3:42 PM]

Nando: @elves: lol :) [3:42 PM]

hoglahoo: typical machinelves, going off on a tangent [3:42 PM]

machinelves: @jnicol eli noticed that the background of eterna blue has a white spotlight while you scroll, which makes it hard to read text since the text is white [3:42 PM]

machinelves: https://getsatisfaction.com/eternagame/topics/aid-readability-of-player-profile-news-and-blog-posts [3:42 PM]

machinelves: lol hogla, nice [3:42 PM]

Eli Fisker: Hogla :) [3:43 PM]

Eli Fisker: @John, this could improve readability of eterna pages with text.  [3:43 PM]

jnicol: yes, the white spot is a big bubble :) [3:43 PM]

Eli Fisker: :) [3:44 PM]

machinelves: hehe so subtle yet so distracting [3:44 PM]

hoglahoo: You're asking John to burst your bubble? [3:44 PM]

jnicol: yes, I can I can do something with it [3:44 PM]

machinelves: oh please, would you? :D [3:44 PM]

Eli Fisker: I prefer the bubbles in my puzzles ;) [3:44 PM]

hoglahoo: it's what devs do best [3:44 PM]

Eli Fisker: Sweet! [3:44 PM]

machinelves: hehe [3:44 PM]

Eli Fisker: lol [3:44 PM]

machinelves: thanks john [3:44 PM]

jnicol: make it an easter egg, if you click 3 times it disappears :) [3:45 PM]

machinelves: lol awesome a game within a game [3:45 PM]

machinelves: shakespeare would be proud [3:45 PM]

Eli Fisker: Hehe, make it an easter egg, if you click 3 times it appears [3:45 PM]

jnicol: or move it with the cursor like the the solved bubbles [3:45 PM]

machinelves: hehe i love that cursor bubble effect actually [3:46 PM]

machinelves: that is pretty cool [3:46 PM]

Eli Fisker: It would be best without the whitish bubble in the text since it is not aiding the reading experience [3:46 PM]

machinelves: yes, click the ghost bubble 3 times to appear, and then the help page launches [3:46 PM]

jnicol: I agree Eli [3:46 PM]

jnicol: any other questions or concerns before I leave? [3:47 PM]

Eli Fisker: I think this was it, for my part [3:47 PM]

machinelves: i think we got enough for today from me. thanks for all your hard work John!!! [3:47 PM]

hoglahoo: Are you looking for any particular kinds of lab proposals [3:47 PM]

jandersonlee: yes - thanks to all devs [3:47 PM]

mat747: hi [3:48 PM]

hoglahoo: hi [3:48 PM]

machinelves: hi mat! :) [3:48 PM]

Eli Fisker: hi Mat :) [3:48 PM]

jnicol: Lee, looking for labs that you (the players) would find interesting and help with our understanding [3:48 PM]

jnicol: Hi Mat [3:48 PM]

mat747: hi hog, machine, eli, john [3:48 PM]

hoglahoo: pretty open then sounds like. thanks [3:48 PM]

Eli Fisker: Hogla, welcome as lab maker [3:48 PM]

machinelves: yay hogla labs!  [3:48 PM]

Eli Fisker: :) [3:49 PM]

hoglahoo: I want to see if we can fold darth vader [3:49 PM]

Eli Fisker: lol [3:49 PM]

machinelves: hehe use the force wisely, young hogla [3:49 PM]

Eli Fisker: :) [3:49 PM]

mat747: hog - hehe  [3:49 PM]

Eli Fisker: Hydrogen bond force [3:50 PM]

jnicol: If you can fit him in 131 nts [3:50 PM]

machinelves: lol that's true, we have the force of nature to contend with [3:50 PM]

Eli Fisker: 90 of which are left for the puzzle [3:50 PM]

Eli Fisker: the rest is tails [3:50 PM]

jnicol: Thanks for the chat everyone! Time for me to go [3:50 PM]

Eli Fisker: Bye John [3:50 PM]

mat747: bye john [3:50 PM]

machinelves: thanks john! bye! [3:50 PM]